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Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:04:28 -0000

When you speak for Allah as the Supreme Leader does, you can count 40 million votes in 2 hours. You have Divine Powers. You command time and space. You can bend forks with your mind power too.

Yeah. That's the ticket.

Same when you are factually infallible on everything too. You don't have to research anything or learn how to communicate with people or prudence or any skill at all in implementing your ideas and decisions. You are factually infallible. All you need is an infallibility certificate in writing somewhere and a Magic Eight Ball and you are good to go. No fuss and no muss. Just use the Magic Eight Ball and break for lunch. It's as simple as that. Nice and tidy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

But mine is telling me that Iran is in deep deep recently created biological matter and other organizations too. That is what my Magic Eight Ball is saying.

And mine can count votes too and declare the winners of elections centuries in advance.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:54:27 -0000

"perhaps the dominant faction of mullas saw that they would "only" win by 51%, and stupidly decided to skew the electoral results more strongly in their favor in hopes of putting the ordeal behind them?"

I suspect this was it. The clue for me was in Khamenei's sermon last Friday where he said that there may have been some irregularities but a majority of such magnitude by its very size proves that it could not have been manufactured. If you're going to lie, the one rule is to make it BIG. We will most probably never prove that the election was rigged but there is enough evidence to give a rational person reasonable doubt.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:51:51 -0000

A very ingenious new tactic will be used by the protesters in Iran, see link re bazaar (marketplace).

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:39:40 -0000

Fubar,

Thanks for the above excellent links! I will look into getting both books. I tell you the combination of these two below books on many very interesting levels is going to be the next big meme dynamic across many populations and strata of society in the world.

http://www.cosmosandpsyche....

http://lifeincorporated.net/

The people that understand how the analysis in these two books work together are already living in the future. Combine these insights with Weber's meme dynamics and thinkers will now be right up there with the high octane Iranian women who are now cutting edge in what is going to happen next in the world.

As I said, as far as Divine Geometry goes, this is where it is all going to go now to people of Cosmic insight.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Get ready. It is all going to be a very interesting. And, of course, all in Internet time.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

fubar — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:57:54 -0000

well, if the iranian mullas think that capitalism is "godless", then one part of the solution would be to have "spiritual capitalism".

Some hints that the idea of "spiritual capitalism" may be something fairly simpatico to some religious minorities in the USA, and that the ameican religious mainstream is capable of absorbing "occult" elements:

A Republic of Mind and Spirit:
A Cultural History of American Metaphysical Religion
by Catherine L. Albanese
Yale University Press, 640 pages

"If one is looking for a fascinating tour of the many sideshows of the carnival that is religion in America, Catherine L. Albanese is the guide you want. She is head of religious studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and has a big new book from Yale University Press, A Republic of Mind and Spirit: A Cultural History of American Metaphysical Religion. She would not be happy, however, to be described as a tour guide of religious sideshows, never mind freak shows. She intends to propose a very different way of understanding American religious history as a whole."

also:

http://books.google.com/boo...

"Jeffrey Kripal here recounts the spectacular history of Esalen, the institute that has long been a world leader in alternative and experiential education and stands today at the center of the human potential movement. Forged in the literary and mythical leanings of the Beat Generation, inspired in the lecture halls of Stanford by radical scholars of comparative religion, the institute was the remarkable brainchild of Michael Murphy and Richard Price. Set against the heady backdrop of California during the revolutionary 1960s, Esalen recounts in fascinating detail how these two maverick thinkers sought to fuse the spiritual revelations of the East with the scientific revolutions of the West, or to combine the very best elements of Zen Buddhism, Western psychology, and Indian yoga into a decidedly utopian vision that rejected the dogmas of conventional religion. In their religion of no religion, the natural world was just as crucial as the spiritual one, science and faith not only commingled but became staunch allies, and the enlightenment of the body could lead to the full realization of our development as human beings."

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:04:57 -0000

It appears "Karma is a bitch" is the highest spiritual insight attainable at the current sorry functioning level of the planet. My country, the U.S. has certainly been the poster child as much as anyone else in world history. Everyone I know saw 9/11 coming (I even wrote a local letter to the editor to that effect in December 1999) but apparently no one in the U.S. government did. I was at a national meeting of an anti-war veterans group I belong to in August 2001. One guy had just copme back from Europe. He got up and said "You guys don't understand. Americans are living in a bubble. Americans are sound asleep. Something terrible is going to happen. The chatter is on the street everywhere else in the world."

This is always true of everyone, everywhere. What is going to happen next in life is always as clear as the noon day sun if you just think about it. what is going to happen next in Iran is very clear. What is going to happen next in the Baha'i Faith is very clear. It is all archetypal judgment. All you have to do is read lots of C.G. Jung, the history and literature of the world, and Marvel Comics. The main thing in life right now is to study the big plays of the Pittsburgh Steelers over the years. That will tell you plenty about what is going to happen next. But neither the clueless in Iran or the clueless in other circles will ever understand the omens.

Move to the ball.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

fubar — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:51 -0000

Perhaps, but without REAL data (which of course the Iranian govt will not release), I still smell something potentially fishy.

It is completely understandable that the supporters of the opposition desperaetly need the actual election results to factually support the corruption of the current powers.

In a perfect universe, the reformost/progressive forces in Iran would always be right.

Unfortunately it may not be easy to "prove" such.

For instance, perhaps the dominant faction of mullas saw that they would "only" win by 51%, and stupidly decided to skew the electoral results more strongly in their favor in hopes of putting the ordeal behind them?

Everyone here has an understandable bias of wanting reforms and progress. A realistic view may be that Iranian culture has not yet reached the "tipping point". In which case, forcing reforms and progress could actually backfire, which unfortunately has happened over and over in these kinds of circumstances.

As Ken Wilber (and many others) have explained, "Revolution" means that power is simply "revolved" to another set of players on the same circular/paradigmatic level.

This is NOT the same thing as the evolutionary, upward movement of a society to a new paradigmatic level, where the "felt requirements" of the highest state of culture are legally protected against the formces of paradigm regression.

It is one thing to have a "revolution" in the power arrangements in Iran, but another for any "new players" to really embrace the high risk move to open democracy. There is a lot of entrenched, reactionary backwardness that has to be "healed", and an unskilled set of revolutionary leaders could create a lot of instability if they gained power. This is presumably a legitimate fear that many people will have, and unless it is addressed, there night be more hesitancy than would otherwise be expected.

What would a reform government in Iran do to appease native fears of western imperialism and "godlessness" while not falling back into old, bad habits that over ineptitude and corruption with demonization of westerners?

Integral theory offers the necessary tools (subcomponent memes), but is there anyone in Iranian leadership that could use them? Are they even ready to move to the kind of postmodernism that Obama offers?

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

fubar — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:44:53 -0000

Craig,

Thanks again for the most excellent observations.

When you say "Karma is a bitch", I'm assuming that you mean that the way that western culture exhibits arrogance and hubris to the rest of the world is an unenlightened response to some fairly random historical circumstances (e.g., as explained by Jared Diamond) that allowed western culture to develop economic, scientific and military dominance?

And that such arrogance breeds decadence, complacency, weakness and a blindness to rapidly emerging competitive threats and new paradigms?

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:35:26 -0000

Take a look at the Chatham House pdf file (link above). It is exhaustive and pretty much seals the deal. As well, the results do not pass the 'random' nature of real numbers but are statistically proven to be made up - another link also above (Washington Post link).

"The probability that a fair election would produce both too few non-adjacent digits and the suspicious deviations in last-digit frequencies described earlier is less than .005. In other words, a bet that the numbers are clean is a one in two-hundred long shot."

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

fubar — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:46:43 -0000

Just to stir things up and play "devil's advocate":

Newsweek article: a Carter Center expert on election monitoring SPECULATES that the election may NOT have actually been rigged.

google "John Stremlau" (Carter Center)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/...

excerpts:

Elections Don’t Make Democracy’
A global voting monitor suggests that the outside world not jump to conclusions about Iran's vote.

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By Kurt Soller | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Jun 16, 2009

. . .
So we turned to an expert to find out just how hard it is to run a fair election. After spending years in South Africa, and leading election-observation missions in the Congo and Ghana, John Stremlau knows how to ensure—and fairly observe—a democratic election, even in a country that might be conducting its first one. Now, as the vice president for peace programs at the Carter Center, he's working to ensure that independent election observation becomes the standard in all countries. He spoke to NEWSWEEK's Kurt Soller about the human-rights revolution, the ways to make an election run smoothly, and what happens when they don't go as planned.
. . .
[Q.] So it comes down to perception then, not whether the election was fair but whether civilians think it was fair.

. . . all democracies face a challenge if people don't feel their voices have been heard. Independent observers help make sure that happens.
. . .
[JS] Personally, I think the Obama administration had the right balance of signaling they're going to have to deal with who comes to power, and expressing their concern for those in Tehran. Frankly, I would have liked the electoral situation to be transparent, but this is for the Iranians to work out themselves.
. . .
I'm not calling on the Obama administration to pass judgment, especially since

[*] I'm intrigued by recent reports in the press that the results may not
[*] have been too far off the mark.

This just points again to the real importance of having an international transparent election process.
[end]

This of course supports the need for rapid movement toward a "real" world federation, based on postmodern/integral paradigms. (not a bogus bahai "new world order")

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:43:19 -0000

President Obama just spoke these words:

Martin Luther King once said - "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples' belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.'

Those of us that witnessed this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Lived to see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The Promised Day will come for the people of the energies of the New World Age on this planet. It will come with or without the Baha'is under the current completely closed lifetime incumbent top down leadership. The existence of the archetype of self appointed clergy is finished on this planet in the Age that is coming. No more "Supreme Leaders". Anywhere. Ever. Everyone in any kind of power will be held COMPLETELY ACCOUNTABLE to EVERY SOUL on Earth 24/7/365/1000 in the Age that is coming. Electorates everywhere are going to deepen and mature with the power of the Internet. Let those with ears to hear - hear the slow drip that will eventually become a mighty torrent.

If you seek knowledge, read this book and know that the Vortex of Heaven cannot be stopped.

http://www.cosmosandpsyche....

It will come with or without the currently incredibly dumbed down and completely organizationally impaired straight jacketed Baha'is under the current leadership.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:29:27 -0000

Thanks pey, I listened to it and I heard the NPR interviewer say that Baha'is can vote. Sabetan didn't say it but he also didn't object nor explain further when she mentioned that. I've added the link to the audio in the post as well as a few recent news about Khamenei's 'sermon' at Tehran university on Friday.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:07:05 -0000

Here is a fascinating article with very interesting comments given the situation in the world today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/c...

Here are two books I recommend if you want to get a handle on where this is ALL ultimately going:

http://www.cosmosandpsyche....

http://lifeincorporated.net/

Some really big shocks are coming upon Islamic societies and also upon the current version of the Baha'i Faith. From here on in the cosmic stakes are going up and the clueless will have no refuge.

The Kingdom of Heaven is going to other people. The key will be economic knowledge. Thinkers will be needed. This will leave current Islamic societies and the current version of the Baha'i Faith completely in the dust. It also may leave the United States completely in the dust too. We shall see.

What goes around, comes around.

Karma is a bitch. And stupidity does not help the situation.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

pey — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:32:45 -0000

I'm just still amazed the horrible Islamic state of Iran that persecutes Bahais will allow the same apostates to vote. Yet in the Bahai community voting rights are removed from anyone that thinkgs differently. Go figure.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

pey — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:31:16 -0000

Here it is. The guy's name is Farhad Sabetan: http://www.npr.org/template...
Here is another ineteresting link that happened before the elections: http://www.iranpresswatch.o...
It's brave of them, but isn't this getting to close in regards to political activity?

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Craig Parke — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:53:18 -0000

This is an interesting link. It gives an overview of the various connections between the political turf involved.

"In theory, the supreme leader is appointed by a body of clerics whom voters elect. But in practice, this body -- the Assembly of Experts -- has answered to the supreme leader."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WOR...

The "Assembly of Experts" sounds very intriguing. Experts on what?

Maybe that is kind of like the ITC now in the BAO which provides the official "approved" closed candidates list for the UHJ? "Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others" seems to be the operational concept. Does anyone know if this is an Islamic mindset or comes from the much longer and deeper history of the kings of Iran?

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:43:46 -0000

Masud, yes that is a good article. But I wonder what Hitchens, a militant atheist, thinks of the battle cry 'Allah-u-Akbar' and the fact that the protesters do not want to overthrow the regime (at least yet) but just want their vote counted in a mock (s)election put on in a theocracy.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:42:03 -0000

I think you just need ID (passport) to vote - I've seen many people who have voted holding on up their passport and inked finger. But more importantly, can you please provide a link to this NPR interview? It is the first time I hear of it. Thanks.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

pey — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:26:22 -0000

I just heard on NPR today that Bahais can vote in Iran. Is that true? It must be since it was some rep from teh Bahai Int. Community office being interviewed. I had no idea. That just baffles me- all other civil rights are denied Bahais, but they are allowed to vote. Go figure.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Baquia — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:25:34 -0000

The latest news points to further fissures opening: the Guardian Council has asked all candidates to meet to discuss their grievances. As well, Khamanei who is more and more threatened, will give a sermon at Tehran university this Friday (the Muslim 'sabbath').

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

shame — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:21:08 -0000

the basis is this:
as bahai you accept a mass murderer as the Sun of Truth because Bahaullah said so and you never investigate although you have the obligation of investigating the truth as Bahaullah wants you bahais to do

I dont want Jews and Moslems to fight anymore

this is good but is not islam theology and belief.
if you want to know the ayat of AlquranAlkarim please let me know

thanks for reading

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

shame — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:13:39 -0000

Ah really?

For Baquia is SPAM

We will talk about it
"Historical context" is a mantra of muhammadan muslims

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

pey — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:51:30 -0000

Seriously Farhan? On another thread you were makin the opposite point in regards to why the AO speaks up about the abuse of the Bahais in Iran and Islamic countries, but not about the abuse of other peoples. Or even about the abuse of Bahais that took place under non-islamic regimes (such as the Cambodian Bahais under the Khmer Rouge). Please be consistent in your views if you can.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

Masud Samandari — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:45:24 -0000

Christopher Hitchens' piece in Slate ("Don't Call What Happened in Iran Last Week an Election") is the best article I've read so far on the election (it's certainly the best out of the articles cited on this page)

I think it summarizes the feelings of many Iranians over the past years; I would encourage anyone who hasn't read it yet to do so.

Re: Ahmadinejad Wins Rigged Iranian Election

farhan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:33:06 -0000

Shame, this is the basis of all Baha'i teachings:
O ye that dwell on earth! The distinguishing feature that marketh the preeminent character of this Supreme Revelation consisteth in that We have, on the one hand, blotted out from the pages of God’s holy Book whatsoever hath been the cause of strife, of malice and mischief amongst the children of men, and have, on the other, laid down the essential prerequisites of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring unity. (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings XLIII)

For heaven's sake, I dont want Jews and Moslems to fight anymore. I want them to love each other and reconcile; Is this not also what you need? If so, why fan the flames?